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THE MEMBERSHIP FOR HIGH-PERFORMING LEADERS
Get Out of Your Own Way.
Rewire the Root Cause.
Unprogrammed is the monthly membership for leaders who are successful on paper but exhausted in private. Find the belief underneath the behavior, interrupt the pattern, and lead without the guilt, the control, and the constant weight.
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Join Unprogrammed for $37/moFounding Member rate, locked in for life. No contracts. Cancel anytime.
A NOTE FROM JAHMAAL
If You're the Strong One Everybody Calls, Read This.
Let me start with a sentence. Tell me if you've ever said it, out loud or just in your head.
"I need to get out of my own way."
Before we built Unprogrammed, we asked leaders just like you what they were struggling with. Not their goals. What they had already tried that didn't work, and what their single biggest challenge was right now.
Two people who have never met wrote the exact same words: "I need to get out of my own way."
Another wrote: "Everyone in my family thinks I have it all under control. I can fix or do anything. I wonder if the cost to do it is worth it."
Another wrote: "Doing more, working harder, made me more burned out."
Maybe that's you. You're the one who carries the team, the family, and the business, and still finds time to worry about what everybody thinks of you. People admire you. People depend on you. And in private, you're tired in a way a vacation doesn't fix.
You've tried to solve it the way high performers solve everything. You worked harder. You bought the planner. You downloaded the app. You blocked off Friday afternoon for deep work and gave it away the minute somebody asked. You went to the retreat, read the book, maybe spent years in talk therapy.
And you're still asking the same question: "Why do I keep doing this?"
Here's the answer nobody gave you. You don't have a time management problem. You have a root-cause problem. If the problem were time, the calendar would have fixed it. It didn't. Because the problem isn't the calendar. The problem is the belief that decides what goes on the calendar.
That is what Unprogrammed is built to change.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
Admired on the Outside. Exhausted on the Inside.
- You can't say no without feeling guilty, and you can't say yes without feeling resentful.
- You don't delegate, because if you don't do it, it won't get done right.
- You manage everyone's emotions, sometimes before they even have them, and ignore your own.
- You over-prepare, over-explain, and over-deliver, then wonder why you’re running on empty.
- You work after hours every night, and the stress comes home and sits at the dinner table.
- You've been working hard, but not always moving forward.
- You keep saying, "I need to get out of my own way."
You don't need another productivity hack. You need to find the belief underneath the behavior.
WHY NOTHING HAS STUCK
Understanding Your Story Is Not the Same as Changing It.
A lot of the leaders who come to Jahmaal have done the work. Some have done 15, 20, even 50 years of talk therapy. They're not wrong for going. But they all say the same thing: "I understand my story. I can explain my story. And I still do the same thing."
That's because talking about a behavior explains it. It doesn't change the belief underneath it. You can talk about the fruit forever. If you never deal with the root, the same fruit keeps growing back.
Root Work
Finds the belief that drives the behavior, interrupts the pattern while it's happening, and replaces it. The behavior changes because the belief changed.
THE CORE TRUTH
Belief Drives Behavior. Every Time.
What you believe about yourself decides how you behave. Here's what that looks like at work:
If you believe "I'm only valuable when I'm needed," you'll say yes to everything.
If you believe "If I don't do it, nobody will," you'll never delegate.
If you believe "Failure means rejection," you'll never take the risk.
If you believe "I'm responsible for how everyone feels," you'll manage their emotions and ignore your own.
If you believe "Rest has to be earned," you'll feel guilty every time you stop.
If you believe "Perfect or nothing," you'll wait, procrastinate, and burn out at the last minute.
And you'll call it "being busy." You'll call it "being loyal." You'll call it "being a high performer." You never chose that operating system. It was installed.
WHAT'S REALLY RUNNING YOUR CALENDAR
Real Guilt vs. False Guilt
Real Guilt
You actually did something wrong. It says "make it right," and once you do, it leaves.
False Guilt
You did nothing wrong. You said no, you rested, you delegated. And it stays anyway, until you give in.
Here's something most high performers never hear. A lot of them aren't driven by ambition as much as they think. They're driven by false guilt.
False guilt is why you answer the email at 11pm. It's why you make decisions based on what you assume people think of you. It's why you over-prepare, over-explain, and over-deliver, and still feel like it wasn't enough.
And false guilt has a partner: control. Somewhere along the way, risk started to feel like failure, and failure started to feel like rejection. So you stopped delegating. You wait for perfect, you procrastinate, and then you burn out at the last minute trying to get it just right. Perfection is a fallacy, and it's the most expensive thing on your calendar.
When you deal with it at the root, something shifts. You learn to control the controllables, to tell the difference between what's actually yours to carry and what was never yours in the first place. Everything else, you learn to put down.
What changes when you let go
- Your team gets real ownership and gets to use their gifts.
- Your best people grow instead of leaving.
- You're freed up to actually lead, instead of doing everyone's job.
- You come home with something left for the people who matter most.
Stop performing. Start living.
WHY I BUILT THIS
The People Who Come to Me Aren't Weak. They're the Strongest People in the Room.
That's exactly the problem. Their sense of worth got tied to being needed. Being indispensable started to feel like being valuable. So they carry more, and more, and more, until the body says what the mouth won't.
I've watched it show up as fatigue, as working after hours every single night, as strained marriages and missed moments with the kids. In some cases, depression. In some cases, health issues. Because what happens at work doesn't stay at work. You carry it home.
[JAHMAAL: 2 to 3 sentences of your own story here. The moment you realized coaching the behavior wasn't enough and you had to go to the root.]
For years, the only way to do this work with me was one-on-one. That's a real investment of time and money, and a lot of the leaders who needed it most couldn't make it happen. I kept asking myself how I could put this work in the hands of more leaders, without watering it down.
Unprogrammed is my answer. It's the same root-cause approach I use with my private clients, organized into a clear path you can walk at your own pace, with me in the room with you twice a month to help you apply it to your real life.
Our vision at Listen Then Speak is to help revolutionize 50,000 work cultures by 2035. That starts with one leader at a time. Right now, that leader is you.
Jahmaal Marshall, Founder, Listen Then Speak
INTRODUCING
UNPROGRAMMED
For leaders who are successful on paper but exhausted in private.
Find the belief underneath the behavior, interrupt the pattern, and get out of your own way, for good.
Unprogrammed is a monthly membership that gives you a proven 6-step path, live coaching with Jahmaal twice a month, a monthly Private Leader Cohort, and a growing library of root-cause trainings. Everything is designed to fit the calendar of someone who's already carrying a lot.
HERE'S WHAT'S INCLUDED
Everything You Need to Get Out of Your Own Way
01 / THE PATH01 02 03 04 05 06
The 6-Step Unprogrammed Path
Go from "why do I keep doing this?" to "I see it, and I can stop it." All 6 modules are unlocked on day one. No drip, no waiting. Each module comes with a worksheet you can finish in under 20 minutes.
Resentment Inventory
Get honest about what you're still carrying, and who you're still carrying it for.
Gratitude Inventory
Rebalance the lens you lead through, so you see what's working, not only what's wrong.
Time Auditing
Find out where your hours actually go, and which beliefs are spending them.
The Re-Audit
Look at your calendar again with new eyes and name the patterns hiding in plain sight.
Isolate the Pattern
Find the need behind the need, the one belief driving the behavior you want to stop.
Pattern Interrupt
Catch the pattern while it’s happening, not after the damage, and replace it with a new response.
02 / LIVE COACHING
Twice-Monthly LIVE Recalibration Calls with Jahmaal
Bring the real situation, the team member, the conflict, the false guilt, and work it through live. Every call opens with a short teaching, then moves to Q&A and hot seats. You're not watching from the back row. You're in the room.
03 / YOUR PEOPLE
Private Leader Cohort (once a month)
Once a month, gather with a small group of leaders who get it. No performing, no judgment, no one to impress. Between sessions, you have a private member community that's monitored daily, so you're never carrying it alone.
04 / KEEP GROWING
A New Root-Cause Training Every Quarter
Every 3 months, a new training drops, built from Jahmaal's signature work: The Hidden Psychology of Executive Burnout, Lethal Loyalty, Boundaries Without Bitterness, and Sustainable High Performance. You keep the entire back catalog for as long as you're a member. Your library grows the longer you stay.
05 / ON YOUR TIME
Every Call Recorded and Posted Within 24 Hours
A full calendar never means missing out. Watch the replays on your schedule, and go back to the full archive any time.
THE PROCESS
Name It. Interrupt It. Replace It.
Awareness
You can't change what you can't name. The inventories and audits put language to why you do what you do, and that's where the power shifts.
Disruption
Interrupt the pattern while it’s happening, not after the damage. The live calls and the Pattern Interrupt tools help you catch it in real time, in real situations.
New Belief
Replace the old script with one you actually chose. When the belief changes, the behavior follows, and this time it lasts.
This is the same root-cause approach Jahmaal uses with his private clients, now organized into a path you can walk every month.
PLUS 3 BONUSES
What Usually Stops Leaders, Handled.
For "I don’t have time."
The 15-Minute Pattern Interrupt Kit
Short, practical tools to catch and interrupt a pattern in the middle of a real workday.
$297 valueFor "I can’t afford it right now."
The Burnout Cost Calculator
Put a real dollar figure on over-functioning, turnover, and lost hours, so you can see what the pattern is actually costing you.
$497 valueFor "Will this work for someone like me?"
The Root Cause Fast Start plus Jahmaal’s Top 10 Podcast Episodes
A guided first week built to get you your first win in 7 days.
$397 valueEVERYTHING YOU GET
Here's Everything Inside Unprogrammed
- The 6-Step Unprogrammed Path (all 6 modules, day one)
- Twice-Monthly LIVE Recalibration Calls with Jahmaal
- Private Leader Cohort, once a month
- Private member community, monitored daily
- A new root-cause training every quarter, plus the full back catalog
- Every call recorded and posted within 24 hours
- BONUS: The 15-Minute Pattern Interrupt Kit — $297 value
- BONUS: The Burnout Cost Calculator — $497 value
- BONUS: The Root Cause Fast Start + Top 10 Episodes — $397 value
Bonuses alone: $1,191 in value
Yours today for $37/mo
Join Unprogrammed NowDO THE MATH
Why $37 a Month Is a No-Brainer
Compared to private coaching
Private executive coaching commonly runs $15,000 to $75,000 a year. Unprogrammed puts you in the room with Jahmaal twice a month, plus a monthly Private Leader Cohort, for less than the cost of a single therapy session.
Compared to what control is costing you
Take what you want to earn this year and divide it by 2,000. That's your hourly rate. Now multiply it by the hours you give away every week to work someone else could do, and by 50 weeks. Most leaders who run this math land between $80,000 and $200,000 a year.
Compared to your morning coffee
At the founding rate, Unprogrammed is about $1.22 a day.
The question isn't whether you can afford Unprogrammed. It's how long you can afford not to deal with the root.
YOUR INVESTMENT
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IS THIS FOR YOU?
Unprogrammed Is for You If...
- You're a founder, executive, manager, nonprofit leader, or high performer who's admired on the outside and exhausted on the inside.
- You're done with hacks and ready to deal with the root.
- You want a clear path you can walk at your own pace, with real coaching along the way.
- You're willing to take extreme ownership and radical responsibility.
It's NOT for You If...
- You want someone to vent to.
- You want a quick fix or a new hack.
- You're not willing to look at yourself honestly.
YOUR COACH
Jahmaal Marshall
Jahmaal Marshall has spent over 16 years studying human behavior, emotional regulation, and the subconscious drivers that shape leadership patterns. He is the founder of Listen Then Speak, an executive coach, a keynote speaker, and the host of a top 1.5% globally ranked podcast.
- B.S. Counseling & Psychology
- Certified through I.A.B.C.
- Founder, Listen Then Speak LLC
- Host, Top 1.5% Globally Ranked Podcast
2M+Podcast Downloads
16+Years of Experience
500+Leaders Transformed
Top 1.5%Global Podcast Rank
AS FEATURED INCEO WeeklyLA WeeklyLos Angeles WireLinkedIn
LEADERSHIP, REWIRED
What Changes When You Find the Root
What leaders say about working with Jahmaal.
After 12 weeks of coaching with Jahmaal at Listen Then Speak, I can confidently say this experience was truly transformative and far beyond traditional coaching or counseling.
AndeDirector, Distribution Operations Leader, A&EI knew that being open and bluntly self-aware would help me get to the root causes of my daily stress. Now I feel more in control of my life and my time without sacrificing the care I provide for a family member.
Juana PoareoHe coached me to find root causes of why I show up the way I do as a leader today.
Mita Mallick[MEMBER TESTIMONIAL][MEMBER TESTIMONIAL]
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
Here's What Happens the Moment You Join
Instant access
You'll get your login right away, and all 6 modules are open on day one.
Join the private community
Say hello, and see the schedule for the next live call and your Private Leader Cohort.
Start the Fast Start
Your first week is mapped out for you, built to get you a real win in 7 days.
Get in the room
Show up to your first live Recalibration Call, bring your real situation, and let's work it through together.
COMMON QUESTIONS
Before You Join
How much time does this take?
Every module worksheet takes under 20 minutes. The live calls are twice a month and every one is recorded, so you can watch on your schedule. The busiest leaders are the ones who need this most, and it was built for them.
I've tried therapy and coaching before. Why is this different?
Therapy often explains the behavior. Coaching often manages it. Unprogrammed goes to the belief underneath it, so the behavior can actually change.
Is this therapy?
No. Unprogrammed is leadership coaching and education. It is not therapy, counseling, or a substitute for medical or mental health care. If you're in crisis, please contact a licensed professional or call or text 988.
Is it confidential?
Yes. What's shared in the live calls and the Private Leader Cohort stays in the room. We ask every member to honor that.
When do I get access?
Right away. As soon as your payment goes through, you'll see your welcome page and get an email with your login. All 6 modules are open on day one.
What if I miss a live call?
Every call is recorded and posted within 24 hours, and you keep access to the full archive as long as you’re a member.
What's the Private Leader Cohort?
Once a month, a small group of members meets together with no performing and no judgment. It’s where leaders who get it help each other apply the work.
Can my company pay for this?
Yes. Many leaders expense it as leadership development. Your receipt is emailed to you right after checkout.
Is there a contract? How do I cancel?
No contracts. Cancel anytime with one email to [SUPPORT_EMAIL]. No hoops.
What does "locked in for life" mean?
If you join at the founding rate of $37 a month, that's your rate for as long as you stay a member, even when the price goes up for everyone else.
Is this faith-based?
[JAHMAAL: your answer here]
YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES
On Your Own, or With Me?
Do it on your own
Take what you've learned and try to work it out alone. But nobody can see their own blind spots, and the pattern has had years of practice.
Do it with me
Get the path, the live coaching, and a room full of leaders who get it. Deal with the root, and get out of your own way.
Let's go back to where we started. "I need to get out of my own way."
It isn't you. It's a belief somebody handed you a long time ago that you never got to put down. You're allowed to put it down now.
Your business grows to the degree that you do. Your team grows to the degree that you do. Your family feels it too.
Join Unprogrammed today, and I'll see you inside.
Jahmaal MarshallPrefer to pay yearly? Choose annual and get 2 months free.
P.S. The founding rate of $37 a month, locked in for life, ends Friday, October 16 at 9pm ET. After that, it’s $47 a month for everyone.
P.P.S. No contracts, cancel anytime with one email. The only risk is spending another year saying "I need to get out of my own way."